Star Wars Episode 7 News

Tuesday, June 17, 2014

UPDATE! Rumors: Who are the Star Wars: Episode 7 Villains and What They Want.

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MakingStarWars made a pretty intriguing collection of rumors they've been hearing in the last few months. I warn you that if right there might be huge SPOILERS ahead so proceed at your own risk...


From MakingStarWars:


POTENTIAL SPOILERS!!!


I’m going to say it again for clarity: I have not had communication or spoken to anyone that has held a script in their hands or read it. This rumor is a rumor amongst the people around Pinewood, some on Star Wars VII and some in the vicinity. These people are informed but things are still a mystery to them too.

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  • The bad guys in Star Wars: Episode VII are being called “Jedi Hunters” by people working on and around the film. These are scary individuals, dressed in black, some helmeted, that hunt Jedi for the Empire. They all said the premise of the Inquisitor from Star Wars Rebels sounds identical to what is in the film itself. It should be noted that none of the sources heard the term “Inquisitor.” They just heard “Jedi Hunters” as they were referred to on and around the sets in various departments. These hunters use lightsabers. One said they had the impression the Jedi were fighting this group for a very long time.
  • A third source is adamant that David Oyelowo is voicing one of the three villains in the film. That lines up with what Jedi News heard a while back. Maybe it is old information, I have no idea.
  • Another source says Lupita Nyong’o, Adam Driver, and David Oyelowo are making up the cast of villains in the film and they’re “Jedi Hunters.” They also said Lupita might wear “yellow contact lenses” in the film as she was seen trying them out and walking around with them some time ago to try them out. 


  • The villains are said to be characterized by black and chrome with troopers in similar black and chrome uniforms. They’re very imperial, but very new. 
  • Supposedly the “Jedi Hunters” or Inquisitors are the reason there is no New Republic after Return of the Jedi. That’s right, they’re saying there is no New Republic. Source #2 claims to have been on set for a sequence in which we learn the Jedi Hunters worship the Sith and want to resurrect them. Their mandate was to protect the Sith at all costs and insure their survival.
  • This source also believes Luke Skywalker has been fighting to stop this for the last thirty years of his life, but he is outnumbered, tired, and in need of help. The bad guys have a goal: The resurrection of the Sith and it “sounds like it happens in the next film” meaning Episode VIII and “I guess they kill him (said resurrected Sith) in IX.”

UPDATE!

According to TheForce this report is 100% inaccurate. They don't quote any sources but I believe they're right. I was one of the first persons to say that these were probably the most plausible rumors we've heard so far but for a similar reasons as stated below I now know that they are indeed 100% inaccurate. 

From TheForce.net:
The report on MakingStarWars.net about the villains of Episode VII is completely wrong. Nothing in the report is accurate.
I cannot explain how I know this, but I do. I wouldn't have put the big "reveal" from MSW's report in the first paragraph of this post if I thought that there was any chance that it was right.
Ordinarily, in a post like this, I would give an indication as to where I learned this non-public information. I cannot do that in this case. I know that this is an unusual way to debunk a report, and I understand that the lack of an explanation for my certainty may lead some readers to doubt what I am saying. That's fine. It's up to each reader to decide whether to trust any piece of reporting.
The only other thing I will say is this: The MSW story stresses that none of their sources have read the Episode VII script. This is crucial information when evaluating the veracity of any story about Episode VII's characters.
Once again, I know for sure that MSW's story characterizing the villains in Star Wars Episode VII is 100% inaccurate.

P.S. Actually I think the story is 90% inaccurate not 100%. Mainly because of the mentioned troopers and Lupita.


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  1. My episode VII interest levels have suddenly spiked.

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    1. Really? Because mine have waned dramatically since reading this article. I hope it's better than it sounds, because that sounds contrived and dull. The only reason I can think of for them to skip out on 30 years of potential content is either a) 30 years of peace with a lurking presence that bides its time for the right moment to strike and uses the time sensibly to accumulate its forces, honing their skills to near perfect and undefeatable levels, or b) to create another filler TV series to fill in the gaps, a la TCW and Rebels. And also to then sell more merchandise relating to said series.

      I'm not suggesting that they should make a movie that follows directly on from the events of Ep6, since the actors are all clearly much older now, but I do think that there needs to be a believable explanation for the gap in the story. And not one that simply says, "oh, by the way, just before you get too comfortable and settle into this story, Luke's been waging a one-man-war on a bunch of Sith Acolytes and Reborns as seen in The Force Unleashed for the last 30 years, with some epic battles and near-death experiences, all the while learning unbelievable new Force abilities." Thus leaving the entire audience aghast at everything they've missed and therefore possibly never getting the opportunity to see.

      And I'm also not saying that we need to see every second of our heroes' lives since the end of Ep6 either. But something as crucial to the story as that in terms of a plot aspect seems more than a little odd to leave out.

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    2. My thoughts exactly. Anything to do with the Inquisitor is a letdown. I want to get as far away from that cartoon as possible.

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    3. Why? we haven't even seen the cartoon yet for all you know it could be amazing.

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    4. watch that trailer again. That is NOT amazing.

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  2. Makes sense in a way... It all sounds like the "Reborns"or Naddists or any other Sith Cult that hangs around a bit longer after the Lord dies...Sounds not too crazy but solid and easy to follow...But 30 years? Oh man...

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  3. That's the second time we've heard about there not being a New Republic.

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    1. It is hard to believe. If not a Republic could there be something else? Something like an Alliance of free(d) Planets?

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    2. Yes, weren't the rumours that Leia would now be Queen and Han a High Commander of sorts. There must be an organisation which they operate under unless those earlier rumours were not true.

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    3. I'm thinking it would be a little like some comics findings place directly after the events of episode VI. The emperoris dead, but there's still war. This is because of the stormtroopers who're still fighting for the empire. And there are now really much problems with the world of crime. There are a lot of bounty hunters. And nations on far away planets who are in war with the army of the empire and would be destroyed if they don't get help. I'm thinking the Jedi Hunters were always there since the end of episode 3, but because of everyone was thinking the jedi didn't excist anymore they weren't used. Since Luke Skywalker is back and the Emperor is dead, there must be a new sith (because the stormtroopers only follow orders they've get from someone) who has given the hunters the order to kill all the Jedi again, especially Luke and Leia because they are the only one who know how to use the force (leia could have learned it from Luke). If they don't die they can start a new Jedi Order. So who will be the Jedi? I'm thinking it will be someone from the world of crime who did some bounty hunter jobs after episode 3 (or maybe earlier). It could be a new character, but there are also characters who comply with the requirements (or will comply, but were we haven't seen there story about yet, maybe in a spin-off or something). These characters are asajj ventress, aurra sing (yes she know how to use the force), darth maul (small change). I don't know, but wonderig how it will look like is allready much fun.

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    4. The Jedi Hunters can't have been around since Ep3, otherwise they would have been sent after Luke, at least after Ep4, only with orders to bring him in alive, rather than dead. And Leia would have been an easier target than Luke (see opening scenes of Ep2), so would most certainly have been dead. I am still hoping to see Ventress, Maul and Ahsoka, though, but I highly doubt they will appear at all.

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  4. I'm somewhat reminded of the Harry Potter story arc...

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    1. IKR? Death Eaters fighting for Voldemort even though he is not around anymore, and then trying to resurrect him.

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  5. Sounds cool but little silly as Luke is by now faaar more powerful then both Yoda and Sidious and could kill them all easy alone in a battle.They could be driven by 1 poweful force user but this enemy to could not stand a chance against Luke. No i see rather a new Sith lord tied to Skywalker blodline that have these jedi hunters are mere acolytes.

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    1. There's absolutly no way that Luke has surpassed Yoda's 800 years of force knowledge in the 40 or so years he's been a Jedi.

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    2. 12:47 PM

      That's the fanboy in you talking. Realistically speaking, Luke is much closer to Obi-Wan than Yoda.

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    3. AnonymousJune 16, 2014 at 2:53 PM
      That seems like a much more rational place for Luke to be in his path as a Jedi.

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    4. "Luke is by now faaar more powerful then both Yoda and Sidious…"

      First off, it's "than", not "then". Secondly, this is simply ridiculous, since Luke didn't even receive proper Jedi training. Even with all he may have come to learn in the last 30+ yrs., he'd never come close to Yoda or Sidious, who received proper training and had decades of experience on Luke.

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    5. Ughh luke is more powerful than yoda and sidious in the expanded universe by a large margin. If Abrams isn't retarded he will still be around that level of power in the movies. And btw luke >>> Obi-wan. Luke dominated Vader in rotj with ease and Luke had hardly any training at all. 30+ years of experience Luke by logic should be quite powerful.

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    6. Clearly some of you dont have a f clue about star wars, not me saying this but george lucas in tv interview during PT era.Quote Luke will become 200% more powerful then both yoda and sidious.

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    7. It seems the more popular a Jedi or Sith character is, the more powerful he becomes. Hence, Luke, Vader, Palpatine and Yoda's statuses.

      I wouldn't trust Lucas' opinion on the matter. He was such a fan of Vader that he made the prequels all about him, turned him into Space Jesus and gave him a higher midi-chlorian count than Yoda. Yet we fail to see the results of such fan service in his portrayal.

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    8. Suggesting Luke will be some master of the force that has not previously been seen is flat out preposterous. Who the hell is supposed to train Luke over the last 30 years, or from where is he supposed to gain all this knowledge of the force? His training was relatively minuscule compared to the Jedi that preceded him and the collective knowledge of the old Jedi Order (and the Sith for that matter) died with Yoda, Obi Wan, Darth Vader and Palpatine.

      Now if we get some back story that suggests that Luke has spent the past 30 years on some Force quest to learn and understand more (i.e. traveling to Moriband/Korriban or other places and discovering old Sith and Jedi holocrons, for example), then maybe you could believe that his use of the force has increased since ROTJ. Otherwise, he should not be developed much further than when we last saw him...

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  6. Not a fan of these rumours at all. The galaxy is probably only 0.00001% Jedi, yet it's run by 'jedi hunters'??..

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    1. Yeah. Strange. And Luke has been fighting them for the last 30 years? What? What has the Rebel Alliance been up to all this time?

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  7. and if this was all happening by return of the jedi which is set 35 years ago then then why are lupita and adam only 20 years old??

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    1. They needn't have been born when it started, but were brought up within the framework and the brotherhood of the Jedi Hunters years later.
      Makes sense they would continually replenish and grow their ranks across the decades.

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    2. Bingo. At least it looks like Lupita won't be playing an elderly woman.

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    3. Nyong'o and Driver are in their early 30's. And Lupita may appear in EpV11 as an older woman if they do a spin-off movie about a young version her character.

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  8. So, if this rumor is true, there is a reason for the villain The Inquisitor, is the villain in Rebels. Interesting, rather interesting. I'll keep all this noted.

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    1. Maybe Max von Sydow is the Inquisitor from Rebels?

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  9. Star Wars 7 will be for kids! Jedi Hunters will have no testicles. It's a kids movie y'all!

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  10. HARRISON FORD 2 MONTHS OFF: http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/jun/16/star-wars-episode-7-harrison-ford-injury-eight-weeks

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  11. Well my thinking is, the Inquisitor in Rebels shows us the Empire have ALWAYS had these kind of guys about, I wouldn't go as far as saying the galaxy is run by Jedi Hunter's, more they're just a tool of the Empire, probably working towards their own agenda of restoring the Sith on the sly. I always thought it seemed a bit strange to think an entire Galactic Empire would dissolve overnight just because a leader died. As far as Luke goes, he wasn't THAT powerful at the end of Jedi, no more so than any other Jedi Knight we've seen so if he's wanting to teach others, he'd still have years of training, hunting down holocrons, learning everything he can about the Jedi, if we say 10 years or so of that, makes sense that he wouldn't have a Jedi army the size of the Republic's, maybe a handful at the most depending on how busy he's been. All in all I think this plot synopsis is great, feels like a realistic progression, also saves having to create an entirely unfamiliar enemy seeing as the Empire/Palpatine, has been the power of tyranny tying the entire saga together.....

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    1. gotta correct you. "Luke not being more powerful than any other jedi knight" umm buddy he defeated Vader easily with minimal training and Vader has has taken on over twenty jedi masters on Kessle before and killed almost all of them. Vader even in his armor was one of the strongest sith lords in history so by luke defeating him in rotj easily definitely means Luke is exceptionally. gifted.

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    2. Gifted does not mean developed. And by who/what? See above.

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  12. I don't much like the idea that there is no Republic. The idea that after the Emperor's death, the Empire just sort of straggles along does not appeal to me. I didn't like it in the Expanded Universe timeline, and I don't like it here. Much like how the Republic became the Empire in the Prequels, I'd imagine it would happen in the reverse after the events of Return of the Jedi. The Emperor, Vader, and several top commanders die at Endor, the Rebellion hits critical mass with allied planets, and there is a revolution of sorts in whatever sort of government exists on Coruscant. The Empire, in many ways, just becomes the Republic again. Sure, there would be a massive military drawdown and quite a few hardcore Imperials would have to be removed, but it seems to me the most likely scenario.

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    1. I could see stormtroopers being abandoned on far of planets. The empire just let's them rot at outposts. With nothing to do, they have gotten fat, slow and lazy... Like everyone in America. It would be pitiful to even attack them because they are of little challenge.

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    3. "I don't much like the idea that there is no Republic."

      IRL, it took Germany more than 50 yrs. to bounce back from their own Empire-like regime and to be unified again. And yet, a universe as wide as the SW galaxy should be able to get back to a democratic Republic in a heartbeat?

      And here I was, thinking that one of the reasons most SW fans hadn't like the PT was because Lucas didn't make them for "grownups" or realistic enough…smh.

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  13. Totally agree with that Empire into a new Republic transition but the second Death Star was still under construction, Vader was overseeing that alongside the Emperor himself. Just because they died, I don't think it would stop people being any more afraid of the power still at large. Probably hundreds of Moff's strangling each other for that top spot and if that's the case, it could take decades for the rebellion to force a change like that, which is what we might see happen in these sequels anyway!

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    1. So you're suggesting a sort of "Game of Thrones" in space, with a Joffrey-type character eventually sitting at the top of the pile, interspersed with Luke's Jedi Academy antics and a new rebellion? Interesting....

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  14. Stupid story line.

    Why wasn't the hunters in OT???? Luke was a Jedi right, and Darth Vader was after him.

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    1. Apparently, Luke was deemed 'hands off' by Vader. The article at Makingstarwars.net goes further in detail.

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    2. That was the blog writer's own speculation.

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    3. They where Hunters in the OT, Vader was hunting down Luke who was at the time the only Jedi. Vader hired, Bounty Hunters whom are also Jedi Hunters.
      1.Nightsisters
      2.Bounty Hunters
      These two are forms of Jedi Hunters, in which is a good chance that Asajj Ventress is one of the villains since she is both of these. Ventress race lives to 500 years so most likely she'll be in. She was also a concept for SW Attack of the clones, but only made it in the mirco & 3d clone wars series, and she is very popular.

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  15. Michael is a stupid name.

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    1. What are you talking about?

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  16. Vader didn't send anyone after Luke because he's his son and he wanted to turn him..... Also, Yoda said Luke wouldn't be a Jedi until he faced Vader a final time so TECHNICALLY, he wasn't a Jedi until the end of RoTJ

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    1. also vader was obsessed with luke diverting all his attention to him

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    2. Um SW 5 he sends an army of Bounty hunters after him

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  17. If there is no Republic, the Empire has still been a problem this long, and there have been lightsaber wielding "Jedi Hunters" all this time that have been causing trouble, what exactly did Anakin die for? It makes ROTJ almost pointless. Yes, he saved his son [and therefore the Jedi] and the rebellion from annihilation, but I feel there needs to have been some time of peace between 6 and 7. Anakin's sacrifice has to have meant more than that. And what has Luke accomplished over this time? I don't necessarily mind remnants of the Empire popping up over the years, but this makes it seem like there was no real change after Palpatine died. If there has been peace over the years and this stuff has been happening in the background, then that makes much more sense. It might work better if these "Hunters" are just now popping up and the heroes have to find out where they came from. It makes more sense if this is a new problem.

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    1. Then again, having them be there for 30 years gives authors and game makers something interesting to do with material set between 6 and 7. But I still think it makes the victories of ep6 seem less important.

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    2. This is Anon 1:56 PM again. While I stand by what I said, I just remembered reading a story conference excerpt in Making ROTJ where Lucas suggested that blowing up the Death Star while Palps was on it would mean that the Empire likely wouldn't build yet "another" Death Star. So at one point, Lucas figured the Empire would still exist in some form even after the Emperor died - though he clearly changed his mind, especially once he included that new footage at the end of ROTJ.
      The idea that the imperial remnant would continue in some form makes sense, but I still don't like the idea that the Rebellion has been fighting for control and that these "Hunters" have been a problem all this time.

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    3. Luke was the only Jedi at the end of VI. How many Jedi could he have trained in 30 years that would now require the services of Jedi Hunters?

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    4. @ Anon 3:08. Even one Jedi would be too many for the Empire.

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    5. There are more then just Luke out there, Kanon from Rebels is probably out there and an older Ezra. There are more Jedi then Luke. People like to complain about Luke's story arc and it being tainted and deemed worthless, but that is not true. Luke's goal was to turn Vader back to the light side of the force through his fathers love. No other Jedi could have turned Vader back, only his son. That is the importance of Luke which makes any other Jedi in the universe insignificant.

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    6. Luke made it HIS goal to turn his father back, but THE goal was simply to defeat the Emperor, Vader and their Empire. In that larger sense, any Jedi available could've done it.

      Hell, a non-Jedi could've done it, too. What if Lando and the Rebels had blown up the Second Death Star with the Emperor and Vader still on it?

      Anyway, I don't feel comfortable with more Jedi being hidden away at the end of VI. But we'll see what happens and how its handled.

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  18. Star Wars: ‘Rebels’ Will Include Material From ’80s Role Playing Game

    http://www.inquisitr.com/1300923/star-wars-rebels-will-include-material-from-80s-role-playing-game/

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    1. I was just going to say, if we're looking for clues as to the plot, perhaps Viral Hide or someone might have a copy of the old RPG guides to scour through? I think the clue will be in there somewhere, given that they're clearly relying on olf material (original Ralph McQuarrie sketches for characters and sets, now the above....) .

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    2. I believe I have one, just have find it in my junk of stuff..LOL

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  19. That there is no New Republic is distressing. That guts the happy ending of RotJ in order to provide drama for the sequels. That was my greatest fear

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    1. Mine, too. You can still have drama in VII without undoing the victory from VI and making our heroes the underdogs again.

      I have a feeling I'm going to have to watch VII twice a couple days apart in order to get used to how things start off 30 years later.

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    2. How is it undoing the ending of ROTJ? That ( whichever version you subscribe to ) is still intact.

      All this new stuff takes place 30 years later.

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    3. AnonymousJune 16, 2014 at 2:31 PM,

      Wrong on all accounts. If there's one thing that the galaxy could not have immediately following the battle of Endor was peace.

      IRL, Hugo Chávez's death has been wreaking havoc in Venezuela. In Irak, the end of Saddam's regime certainly did not bring peace to the country, as if by magic. In a galaxy filled with countless different worlds, cultures, races, etc., it only makes sense that Palpatine's death would only lead to a power vacuum that could take decades to be settled.

      In the end, the only thing that Palpatine's demise did was to even the odds a little more for the Alliance.

      RotJ still has a happy ending, because the Sith were destroyed, Anakin redeemed himself, and Luke accomplished his goal of becoming a full-fledged Jedi.

      In a time when the "and they lived happily ever after" is becoming more and more outdated, in favor of a much more realistic approach, nothing could be better or healthier for SW.

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    4. Your idea would be believable except that most movies still have a happily ever ending of one sort or another.

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  20. No New Republic doesn't necessarily mean nothing's changed politically, it could just be a case that now these planets are free from Tyranny, a ton of planets want to rule themselves, could be something a little more like the Galactic Alliance or Federation of Free Worlds, systems keeping their independence

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  21. You've got to figure the Empire is still very strong after the events of Jedi. If you look at the entire history of the Empire they built up a crushing amount of military power without ever having an operational Death Star as both were blown up within hours of being put into operation. To think they would not have had contingency plans as well as a chain of command in place for the eventual demise of the Emperor and Vader is unrealistic. Does anyone think that someone of Tarkin's power would be incapable of running the Empire? Because there are scores of men like Tarkin still available to the Imperials. A simple planetary bombardment from Star Destroyers as well as a surface level lockdown by the military garrisons upon the populace would quickly regain order. It is fool hardy to think that the Rebels immediately re-started a governmental system that has been extinguished for the last 30 years or so? I mean look at Iraq. What we would likely have on our hands is a huge galactic Civil War just like the Clone Wars. Additionally the Sith traditionally had many, many Sith Lords before the rule of two was implemented and without Palpatine and Vader to insist on that being the rule I could easily see the Sith order rise to prominence again within a 30 year period.
    However, what I don't like is the fact that for the last 30 years, this has all been going on and were stepping into this war in its twilight years. I foresee another cartoon series in the works after Rebels. Disney undoubtedly has this mapped out for decades.

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    1. It might not be that this war is in its twilight years, though. Remember, they still have to take into account the big multi-planet happy ending from ROTJ. Even if the Rebellion didn't have every star system in the galaxy behind it, I think we're intended to believe that it had a LOT of support.

      It's possible that, assuming the rumors in this article are true, that the Jedi hunters initially went underground as the Jedi had done, perhaps even influencing galactic events from the shadows as a small, Force-sensitive resistance movement.

      Meanwhile, the Rebellion would have been fighting the remaining pockets of Imperial resistance and wondering why it was taking so long to make headway. Gradually, it would become obvious that there was somebody directing Imperial remnant efforts other than the surviving Imperial officers and Luke would have led an effort to take these Jedi hunters out.

      So, in that case, Episode VII could begin not in the twilight of this war, but at a crucial tipping point where it goes from a resistance movement opposing the mopping up of the Imperial remnant to a full-blown war. In that sense, it would almost be the reverse of what we saw in ANH, with the Imperial resistance movement having finally begun to win significant battles.

      Or, it could be a million other things other than these off-the-cuff ideas of mine. ;^)

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  22. I can see this scenario making sense, as long as they come up with a good, solid justification as to why the Rebellion did not transition into a new galactic government after ROTJ. Especially given the updated multi-planet victory celebration that Lucas added to ROTJ: The Endlessly Fiddled-With Edition, it is going to be difficult to simply ignore the heavy "happily ever after" implications there.

    However, I could see a situation where Vader and the Emperor had an elite team of hunters who were tasked throughout the OT timeframe (and prior to that) with tracking down and destroying any surviving Jedi or even people with any significant degree of Force sensitivity. Because, of course, it's not like people didn't continue to be born with the ability to sense and manipulate the Force even after there was no more Jedi Order. Luke may have been the last of the Jedi, but there would still have been plenty of untrained Force sensitives out there.

    So, I can see where the Empire might have even had their Jedi hunters take over where the Jedi Order left off, tracking down and eliminating the Force-sensitive children who would previously have been found and trained by the Jedi. Of course, that might be a wee bit dire for a Disney movie, so perhaps they were dealt with some other way. But certainly the new generations of Force sensitives would have been of concern to the Emperor.

    Possibly, they could even do a slight retcon so that the odd robed individuals with whom the Emperor is seen speaking in ROTJ would have been directly connected to these Jedi hunters in some way, perhaps as leaders of whatever "order" the hunters belonged to.

    So yeah, it would make sense that whatever these Jedi hunters were in terms of their position within the Imperial hierarchy, they would still have been alive and MASSIVELY pissed off at the Rebellion after the death of Vader and the Emperor. And they could have had enough power to rally whatever Imperial remnant there was across the galaxy, along with any systems that were still loyal to the now-deceased Emperor (of which I assume there must have been many.)

    Also, along these same lines, I can see where the elders in the Rebellion (Mon Mothma, etc.) who had witnessed the corruption and fall of the Republic might advise against the Rebellion simply trying to replicate the Republic, re-establish the Senate, etc., so as to avoid the mistakes of the past (similar to the way Yoda and Obi Wan's spirits may have advised Luke not to simply rebuild the Jedi Order as the arrogant, easily blinded bureaucracy that they had been.)

    At the very least, the Rebellion would have had difficulty convincing Imperial-loyal worlds to join a new Republic, and so whatever new government they might have assembled would have been far from the all-encompassing galactic government that the Old Republic was.

    All of what Viral Hide posted in this article could certainly be mere rumors and nothing more. However, they do make sense "from a certain point of view". IMHO, they could very well be genuine spoiler material.

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    1. About that word "spoiler", let me ask you something:
      suppose I told you "Hey, there's this Steven Spielberg movie about a New England fish-out-of-water small town sherriff, a rich kid oceanographer & a hardscrabble career fisherman who attempt to search & destroy a killer great white shark", would that stop you from seeing "Jaws"? No. Of course it wouldn't. In fact, you might be inclined to say: "Sounds pretty cool. I'm in!", because it sounds like a riveting story to tell. If every word of what Viral Hide wrote above is true, I'm still gonna see VII 'cause that sounds like a VERY dramatic & action-packed storyline.

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    2. I agree, that theoretical Ep. VII storyline does sound like it's got a lot of potential to be a helluva fun ride.

      (Certainly more than, say, quibbling over semantics in a blog comments section.) ;^)

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    3. DEKKA129 - Regarding your earlier post, I suppose the Jedi Hunters could potentially be explained away by saying that Order 66 wasn't that successful, given the number of Jedi that were implied throughout the PT in various shots inside the Jedi Temple. So it could well be that, at some point between Ep3 and Ep4, the Hunters were sent out to autonomously take care of the remaining Jedi, and whilst covertly travelling all over the galaxy, trying to smoke out individual Jedi, Luke sort of slipped under the radar a bit, hence why we never saw or heard of them before. This would also mean that they could be worked into the storyline of the Rebels series, thus making them canon as well. :S

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    4. well the new info about jedi hunters has me pretty curious. im going into this movie with low expectations. I have the same thoughts what more could happen after return of the jedi, there was only one sith lord in the galaxy " rule of two". but like our reality wars come and go. Its 30 years down the road, luke trained some jedi other villains sprung up and this really has some possibilities of being awesome, maybe they started a republic and all hell broke loose, Take Iraq saddam ruled that place with an iron fist and when he died crime went through the roof, you can think of it like that. it takes a long time to bounce back from war, there are loyalists and new terror groups that pop up, happening end led to crappy beginning.

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    5. Starkiller, the idea that the Jedi were hunted down goes all the way back to the original film in 1977, when old Ben tells Luke about how Vader "helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights."

      Even in ROTS, we were to assume that Order 66 didn't get absolutely everyone, as Obi Wan and Yoda returned to the Jedi Temple to recalibrate the beacon to warn any surviving Jedi away from Coruscant.

      So I think it's always been assumed that there were still Jedi to be hunted down in the years between the trilogies.

      However, given Viral's update to this post, it looks like the whole Jedi Hunter thing may have been bunk to begin with.

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  23. ^ This guy gets it

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  24. Why do you need Jedi hunters if you have Sith?
    Why do you need Sith protectors if you have Sith?
    And is this what "Star Wars" is gonna be from now on:
    JEDI-Up/Down and SITH-Up/Down??? Ooofff ....

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    1. Your posts never fail. You are really just a textbook definition of a negative nancy in every sense of the phrase.

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    2. He's completely right though

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    3. No he's not, there's no way that the two true Sith could do all the grunt work involved in hunting down the last of the Jedi, especially with an empire to rule. And the Skywalkers are destined to destroy the Sith once and for all, so that's not what SW will turn in to.

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    4. Who the hell said there were only two Sith? lOL.

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  25. jedi hunters? really ? , so they didnt need them to find obi wan or luke or yoda ? or anyone else ..... and isnt luke "the last of the jedi will you be" (leia may be full of the forcel , but she aint no jedi.) . and going round killing anyone with a bit of the force only cuts down on potential sith , doesnt it? ........... might work , but screams MASSIVE PLOT HOLE to me.

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    1. they probably do more than that like protect the emire, research the dark side and kick the rebelions ass like they will in rebels

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    2. It's not a plothole. We don't even know if any of this is true - and even if it is, as long as they explain it in the movie, it's not a plothole. If you want plotholes, look at Eps 1, 2 and 3.

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    3. The PT haters are out in full force today. Btw, if you're looking for a massive plot hole, please explain how Luke went from rookie to full Jedi knight in only a few years from V to VI... without going back to Yoda on Dagobah in the meantime. I know I'm going to get backlash for this comment because it's not "hip" to point out plot holes in the 'perfect' Original Trilogy.

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  26. It's more exciting to have EP7 begin in the middle of ongoing conflict, as this rumour suggests, than a 'It is a time of Peace ... the New Republic thrives and the Jedi Order has been restored..." that's a dull way to begin, as was the anemic premise that triggered EP1 (trade embargoes). It also allows for novels and suchlike to go back in time and fill in the gaps with meaty-action-packed stories instead of having to fold it all ultimately into peace and goodwill to all sentients.

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    1. There weren't any trade embargoes in Ep.1.

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    2. Yes, there were - Palpatine's cover-up plot to ensure his future control over the Galaxy revolved around a Trade Federation blockade over Naboo. Episode I is a lot more political than the other Prequels (which are still political, but are better-balanced in terms of action scenes).

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    3. No, there weren't. Ep.1 starts out with a blockade. Blockades and embargoes are two completely different things.

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    4. You have a point, but his message (that a conflict was already in place) makes for a more interesting narrative point than "it was a nice day in the Galaxy, until evil came".

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  27. Don't forget that at the end of the newer versions of episode 6, it shows masses of people celebrating the downfall of the empire, it even shows the senate building intact along with the Jedi temple and also crowds pulling down a statue of the emperor. 'Everyone is free' so to speak. Nek minute, there's been Jedi hunters this whol time who use light sabers yet they've never been referred to, seen or spoken of untill now? I doubt it.. The emperor would have used them to try find luke in eps 4,5,6. These Jedi hunters don't fit in if you ask me. Furthermore what was the point of the ending in ep 6 then that George added if everyone was still stuck under remnants of the empire?

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  28. I'd still rather cloned Palp or Plagueis over these so called Jedi hunters... They're not even sith, where have they been this whole time? They're just pointless to add to the saga.. Like General Grevious.. What was the point of introducing that??

    Ps off topic, but what planet does everyone think Leia and Han will live on? What planets do you think we'll most likely see again from eps 1-6? Does anyone think vader/palp will be spoken about or referred too at all? I have so many random questions!

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    1. We've got Luke, Han, Leia, the droids, Chewbacca, etc, so there's nothing stropping the writers from namedropping any other OT icons. No doubt that Palpatine and Vader will be featured in some aspect.

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    2. AND PLAAAAAgueis

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  29. It's a no-win situation for the screenwriters, since EP6 closed off the saga, so anything they will attempt will seem to fly in the face of the ultimate conclusion of the 6-film saga. That being understood, anything goes so long as the final result is entertaining. Yes, I'd rather the Sith and the Empire were dead and buried - there's lifetimes of material existing outside the films, and new material yet to be created - that will populate dozens of films and TV series, but it seems like EP7 is going to concentrate on igniting nostalgia, so fair enough if it is focused on realigning classic OT tropes and aesthetics. So long as the next two episodes bring something daring and fresh.

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  30. "black and chrome uniforms" sounds very much like the Cylons of the 1978 Battlestar Galactica.

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    1. Not that thats a bad thing :)

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    2. Or the costumes from Captain Power.

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  31. These Jedi Hunters in their armour with their lightsabres put me in mind of the 'Knights of the Sith' from Lucas' original THE STAR WARS script treatment. Could be legit. If Driver's character is going to be like the 'Valorum' character from that plot (with a new name obviously) then this could all be very interesting. Hopefully MVS character will be called Crispin Hoedaack, too.:D

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  32. It sounds like it could be something like this. See the storm trooper holding the pole.

    http://images.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/241622_l/e3-2010-star-wars-the-force-unleashed-ii-photos.jpg

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  33. On the question of what kind of galactic government would exist after the destruction of the Empire in Episode VI, I think we should look to Earth Analogues to find a reasonable answer.

    The notion of any final remnants of the Empire still presenting an organized threat 35 years after the Battle of Endor to me seems kind of silly. In terms of the narrative, it would undermine the climax of the Original Trilogy. In terms of an Earth analog, it would be analagous to the Allies still fighting the last remnants of the Nazi Empire in 1980. At best, what we still had 30 years later were a few fugitive war criminals that bounty hunters still chase after, but certainly not any standing armies.

    Cloned emporers have much the same problem, and really just stink of bad fan-fic.

    In regards to a New Republic, I'm skeptical that one would instantly exist in the power vaccum that the fall of the Empire would have created. What we know from the Prequel Trilogy, was that many systems joined a Seperatist movement because they were unhappy with the Republic as it was. This in part is one crisis that Palpatine was able to exploit to establish his Empire. There's no reason to assume that after the fall of the Empire, that all the systems would happily join a New Republic, when before the Empire many were trying to get out of the Old Republic. Wehn we look to an Earth analog like the old Soviet Union, when it fell, it fractured into multiple nation states. I suspect that that's what would exist post-Empire in the galaxy far far away, seperate nation states potentially warring amongst each other. This seems like the most reasonable deduction to me.

    I'm not sure that I dig the notion of Jedi Hunters either, or that it would make much sense.

    The primary reason that Jedi were hunted down was because they presented a problem for Palpatine's ambitions and the Empire's power. With the Empire defeated and gone, who would hunt down Jedi and why?

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    1. I think a lot depends on how they handle it all (assuming that any of this is part of the actual ST story.) But I could see the Jedi hunter thing working like this:

      After the events of the PT, Vader and the Emperor assemble a small, elite force of force-sensitives to track down and eliminate the remaining Jedi. This "Inquisitor" character in the "Rebels" cartoon seems to be one of these hunters.

      Of course, eventually they would have found and wiped out most of the remaining Jedi. Their next job would have been to ensure that any young Force sensitives were dealt with before any of them could become a threat. Even without Jedi masters to train them, they'd be a wild card that the Emperor wouldn't want to leave in play.)

      And, of course, they'd also foil any assassination attempts against the Emperor, etc.

      If I recall correctly, the Mara Jade character's backstory was that she had served the Emperor as a Force-sensitive agent. So this sort of thing isn't exactly unprecedented in Star Wars-related lore.

      So, let's say there is this cadre of dark-side Force users who have been serving the Emperor as a sort of "special forces" team since the inception of the Empire. Knowing the Emperor, these agents would have been sworn to his service in a rather cultish manner, and would be absolute zealots in their dedication to him.

      Suddenly, the Emperor and Darth Vader are killed in one fell swoop.

      What would the reaction of these dark-side agents have been? To just go home, put the old lightsaber in mothballs and kick off their shoes? Or would they have become a full-blown Sith cult dedicated to avenging their martyrs?

      It may not be a terribly original idea, but IMHO it actually does make sense in context with the existing movies.

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    2. I think the "Earth analog" is a problematic example to begin with. Especially one referring to Nazis, for a multitude of reasons.

      Of course there would be no remnants of the Nazi military 30 years later. You're talking about a military that was only on one planet which was completely surrounded by Allied forces and outnumbered greatly by multiple countries. There was no other option to surrender and recede military power and dominance.

      Contrast this with the Empire of the OT, which literally had a stronghold of the entire known galaxy and military presence everywhere. The only other military to challenge them was a small band of rebels. The Empire outnumbered them greatly. The Rebels had a victory, which proved to be a major one as it saw the fall of Vader and the Emperor and a Death Star, but the Rebels hardly outnumber the Empire. It would be quite foolish to think that out of all the countless instances of Empire rule, that high commanding officials wouldn't continue to fight and dominate the majority of galaxy. Their power could have been dwindling, but it would be there none the less. Completely different scenario of an Empire with galactic rule vs Nazi Germany of one country on one single planet.

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    3. @Anonymous June 16, 4:03pm - Yes, but bear in mind that once the Axis forces fell, these former Generals and so on were more or less completely disarmed. Grand Moffs of the now-fallen Empire would most certainly not have been - they'd still be in charge of an armada of Star Destroyers of all kinds of different varieties (Death-Star-like super lasers, stealthy cloaking ones for surprise assaults, etc) and would probably be mightily pissed off at a band of rebels' attempt to take down the entire Empire in one action, and I think this is a really, really key fact that most people have missed.

      @Anonymous June 16, 4:59pm - If we equate the original Death Star to a Star Destroyer, and the second Death Star to a Super Star Destroyer, could this not potentially mean that there are many Mark 1 Death Stars out there by the end of Ep6? I hope they don't make that a core element to Ep7, because that would definitely have a smattering of desperation. It's a standard core element to any sequel (see almost every video game sequel ever) - "if you thought the hero(es) had trouble last time fighting off the giant *insert giant opponent's name here*, then how do you think they'll fare against three of them at the same time?" Yawn.

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    4. @ DEKKA129

      I think the concept of a Jedi Hunter makes more sense if they exist during the OT, or during REBELS.

      But there isn't much logic in having them after the fall of the Empire. The entire impetus to wipe out the Jedi was Imperially driven. Without the Empire, that drive no longer exists. Furthermore, the Empire would have funded the activities of Jedi Hunters. Without the Empire to pay them, what motivation is there for Jedi Hunters to exist?

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    5. @ Anonymous June 16, 2014 at 4:59 PM

      I think you make a valid point with regards to my Nazi analogy. In that the Empire had complete control over an entire territory; the galaxy, whereas the Nazis had control only over a portion of the European continent.

      However, I think we also have to consider the fact that the Battle of Endor was intended to be a trap that would destroy the Rebellion once and for all. To that end, a massive Imperial fleet was present including the sole Super Star Destroyer to my knowledge. Massive resources would have been spent on this fleet and the second Death Star, all of which were destroyed. Additionally, the fleet and the station contained many higher up officers that were wiped out. On Endor, the Emperor dispatched "an entire Legion of his best troops" that was effectively wiped out. This would have dealt a massive blow to the infrastructure and hierarchy of the Empire, so the likelihood of remaining officers and troopers sticking around if the basic infrastructure isn't there to pay them, is highly unlikely in my opinion.

      So ultimately I think my Nazi analogy holds.

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    6. @ Anonymous June 17, 2014 at 1:23 AM

      Well, first of all, given Viral's update, it looks like this all may be moot anyway.

      However, you raise an excellent point. Why would the Jedi hunters have continued on once the Emperor was dead and the Empire overthrown (or at least massively splintered) with nobody left to give them their orders?

      IMHO, the only way they'd have continued to be a problem after the fall of the Empire would have been if, rather than being hired and paid like bounty hunters, they were indoctrinated into some sort of Sith-oriented cult that worshiped the Emperor and Vader and pledged itself to defend the Sith line.

      If that were the case, then the death of Vader and the Emperor would have turned the two into a pair of martyrs to be avenged. And that could very easily have given the Jedi hunters a reason to perpetuate their order. Possibly, they could have also been promised Sith teachings in order to motivate them (though the Emperor would certainly have bait-and-switched them so as not to risk training any potential threats to his own power.)

      But again, it looks like this probably isn't what Episode VII and the ST are going to deal with anyway.

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  34. This is so unimaginative it's ridiculous. It's set 35 years after Jedi. Create something new. Why tinker with the OT. Are we seriously supposed to believe that the empire had Jedi Hunters even though the only Jedi was Luke? And Vader wanted to find him himself anyway.. And oh what a surprise, these 'jedi hunters' aren't fallen Jedi yet they still somehow have lightsabers..
    "This is a weapon of a jedi knight." Can we please stop dragging the rules and the story and the laws of the OT through the mud? I thought the pointless tinkering and madness was over when George left.

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    1. Whether you agree or not, the concept is already in STAR WARS REBELS, part of the new canon.

      BTW, Sith have lightsabers without needing to be Jedi Knights.

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    2. The difference is Disney stops tinkering once the movie's made.

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    3. "Sith have lightsabers without needing to be Jedi Knights."
      Clearly you missed my point about tinkering with the rules of the OT. "This is a weapon of a JEDI knight." .. I mean Vader had one because he was a fallen Jedi. That made sense. But jedi hunters who have lightsabers? Did they go down to the store and buy a multi pack of lightsabers or something?

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    4. General Grievous I guess was a guy who had a lightsaber but no Jedi training.

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    5. Yes, which again, contradicted the whole "this is a weapon of a jedi knight" .. Am I not speaking English lmao. And on the subject of Grievous, he had 4. My point is that all this over-exposure of lightsabers defeats it's impact. Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi's story was never really about the Jedi fighting with lightsabers. It was just one of the plot points of each film to have a lightsaber fight. Jedi had more lightsaber screentime because Luke was a Jedi, but even then it was pretty sparingly. The prequels, and yes including general grievous, had lightsabers shoved in your face every 3 seconds that it actually became boring because it was so frequent, rather than in the originals where is was rare so it became 'the moment you've been waiting for'. I'd hate this new sequel trilogy to go back to lightsaber shlock.

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    6. It isn't that far fetched to imagine these Jedi Hunters existed in the OT. Vader obviously wouldn't want them to deal with Luke, as he handled that himself.

      And Luke could very well be the last remaining Jedi. That doesn't mean people who were sensitive to the force with Jedi potential stopped existing. The Jedi Hunters could have been there to stop this potential across the galaxy and prevent people who could be powerful from education themselves about the Force and the old Jedi ways.

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    7. I feel much the same way. The PT really burned me out on SW stories that revolved almost exclusively around Jedi superheroes. The OT had a much better balance as far as that was concerned.

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    8. Wow someone's a little obsessed with the "weapon of a Jedi Knight" line.

      And I'm guessing in your obsession over lightsabers, you forgot that Kenobi and Yoda were still around, right? Arguably the two most important Jedi in existence, both of whom had alluded Vader for 20 years?

      So, just as wrong as you are about this lightsaber nonsense, you are glaringly wrong about Luke being the only Jedi left in that time.

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  35. So 35 years years after the Jedi are almost all killed, they story is the Empire is still hunting down the couple of Jedi that might have survived? They were all dead according to Yoda, he said Luke was last, this sounds like BS.

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    1. No, there was another.

      And as it was originally intended NOT to be Leia, theoretically, there could very well be other Jedi out there.

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    2. In the canon of the film it was clearly stated that the other was Leia. Dead end there.

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      There's more to jedis than lightsabers ( well, there should have been though the prequels make you think different ), and even Han was happy to use a lightsabers on two occasions.
      A secret order of Jedi Hunters who use the jedis' own weapon of choice against them is not so far fetched.

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    4. 1. Both Sith and Jedi use lightsabers I don't know why that is an argument. Originally the before the term Sith was coined, they were known as dark Jedi therefore for those complaining about there being Inquisitors trained by the Emperor, it does makes sense, alot of sense actually. They are dark Jedi/ Sith/ force sensitive what ever you want to call them. The Inquisitors hunt down remaining Jedi like we will see in STAR WARS REBELS.

      2. There are more Jedi then Luke in the Galaxy, Yoda and Obi-Wan go into hiding after ROTS, they don't truely know how many are still out there. Obi-Wan sends a message out from the temple telling any surviving Jedi to stay away. Any Jedi who received that message would have gone into hiding and put there lightsabers away for the foreseeable future, which leads us to Kanon from REBELS.

      3. REBELS is going to show that yessss, there are other Jedi in the galaxy during the time of the rebellion. Kanon survived order 66 and went into hiding. From the trailer it looks as if he resurfaces when the time comes and then they immediately send an Inquisitor to kill him. For people to say that the Jedi were completely wiped out save Obi-Wan and Yoda after order 66 is ignorant and unrealistic. There would absolutely be Jedi who got away and went into hiding. Some could have lived the rest of there lives in solitude, become smugglers, or eventually become a Jedi again and take on a new Apprentice. (Kanon - Ezra)

      Now this is how they could mess up some things....
      In Rebels they have Kanon and Ezra join the rebel alliance. This would contradict Luke and cause plot holes because if the rebel alliance came across another Jedi, they would have to go to Luke and be like, "Yeah hey uhm, Commander Skywalker, we just found 2 Jedi and they joined the rebellion." NOOOOOOO That would contradict Luke believeing that he truely was the only Jedi Left in the galaxy. There can be no Jedi within the rebellion ever, unless it is pre- battle of Yavin and the Jedi die before Luke joins the rebellion.

      Other then that IMHO having the inquisitors take over after the death of The Emperor and Vader makes a lot of sense to me.

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    5. When they said that Luke was the last of the Jedi I don't think that was necessarily literal. Just like Obi Wan said that Vader killed Anakin Skywalker from a certain point of view, similarly other Jedi-trained persons could still be in existence but no longer serving as Jedi, having given up the fight long ago (from a certain point of view). Also, maybe the Empire is hunting down the jedi Luke has been training all of these years. And to the lighsaber is a weapon of a jedi guy, let it go, Ben said it was the weapon of a jedi, he didn't say it wasn't the weapon of anybody else.

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    6. Anon 6:04, you are such a prequel hater it's disgusting. The PT actually did a good job at portraying the jedi order, through their methodical approach to things, their monk-like talk, and actions. Say what you want about the acting and midichlorians, but just because it's episodes I-III doesn't mean everything was bad.

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    7. All I see are excuses to cram in more secret Jedi into the OT Era. Yoda was there when Obi-Wan gave out the alert to keep any remaining Jedi away and yet he was confident enough to tell Luke that he was the last Jedi in the galaxy.

      Wouldn't it make more sense for Yoda to tell Luke to search the galaxy for any possible survivors in addition to having him rebuild the Jedi Order? People don't seem to care about consistency...

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  36. I'm thinking it would be a little like some comics findings place directly after the events of episode VI. The emperoris dead, but there's still war. This is because of the stormtroopers who're still fighting for the empire. And there are now really much problems with the world of crime. There are a lot of bounty hunters. And nations on far away planets who are in war with the army of the empire and would be destroyed if they don't get help. I'm thinking the Jedi Hunters were always there since the end of episode 3, but because of everyone was thinking the jedi didn't excist anymore they weren't used. Since Luke Skywalker is back and the Emperor is dead, there must be a new sith (because the stormtroopers only follow orders they've get from someone) who has given the hunters the order to kill all the Jedi again, especially Luke and Leia because they are the only one who know how to use the force (leia could have learned it from Luke). If they don't die they can start a new Jedi Order. So who will be the Jedi? I'm thinking it will be someone from the world of crime who did some bounty hunter jobs after episode 3 (or maybe earlier). It could be a new character, but there are also characters who comply with the requirements (or will comply, but were we haven't seen there story about yet, maybe in a spin-off or something). These characters are asajj ventress, aurra sing (yes she know how to use the force), darth maul (small change). I don't know, but wonderig how it will look like is allready much fun.

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  37. May be a situation where parts of the concept are true but not all it.

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  38. Plagueis will Kill Luke to solidify his villainy. Thanks James Luceno-man.

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  39. It's funny that this actually fits better with the original theatrical versions of the OT where we just saw a celebration on Endor after the battle. Adding those other celebration scenes has now just made the OT climax anti-climatic if these rumors are true.

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    2. Agreed. However, if they release the unaltered OT, I hope they keep John William's new finale song instead of Yub Nub. As much I love Yub Nub because of nostalgia, the new song fits much better. Much more emotional. One of the few changes I thought were better.

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    3. @Anonymous June 16, 5:48pm - But what if they go back and show the extended scenes of the galaxy-wide celebrations, where garrisons of Storm Troopers pour out of their barracks and trample and batter anyone seen not to be mourning the loss of Palpatine, and revellers who destroyed or defaced statues, etc, were shot on sight? Wouldn't TIE-fighters be deployed over Coruscant, for example, to stamp out any signs that it might be OK for people to be happy that the Empire's leader is dead, so as to keep the populace of all the worlds under the Empire's iron fist in line and suppressed, to maintain their power? Particularly if the whole thing was broadcast on the galaxy-wide HoloNet. All they'd have to do is show everyone a single planetary bombardment of a city celebrating the Emperor's passing to make them all change their minds about celebrating.

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  40. The sith have so much potential! Some of the best EU fiction revolved around sith. I have high hopes we will get a great adult movie in Episode 7.

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  41. I don't get the confusion and borderline outrage that there wouldn't be a "Republic."

    You remember that the Galactic Empire WAS the Republic, right? And that they were fighting a civil war against states that wanted to be loosely associated together in a confederacy before Darth Vader went and killed their entire leadership and those planets were brought back into the fold.

    What exactly makes you think that everyone is eager to get on board with another big government? What makes you think that the ending of ROTJ was people celebrating a return of the Republic? Makes much more sense that they were celebrating their own freedom.

    Stop thinking in such black and white terms. Just because there's "No New Republic at the beginning of VII," doesn't mean "Well the Empire was still rule the galaxy, ROTJ was for nothing."

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    1. Brilliant comment.

      Kudos to you for being a grownup who can actually see this through the eyes of a grownup, as opposed to those of a 6 yr. old with no idea whatsoever on how politics (especially at a massive level, such as the SW galaxy) should work, like most other comments here.

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    2. Listen to this guy. Go soak your head. I'm sure most folks here have a decent grasp on how politics work. I'm sure most folks here also understand that we're talking about a fictional setting that very well might operate just a bit differently from what we're used to in our real world. If you're looking to discuss politics at the heightened intellectual level that you're so obviously capable of doing, you should probably avoid websites that exist to gossip and casually chat about an upcoming movie. You surely have better things to do.

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    3. Anon 6:59 PM

      Bug off. I don't watch Star Wars for its political commentary.

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    4. So that's what you guys too away from that? Political commentary?

      Just a reminder of how the politics worked in Star Wars and why there not being a Republic doesn't mean that there is still an organized Empire, which seems to be everyone's problem.

      But enjoy your annoyance.

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    5. @ Anonymous June 16, 2014 at 6:07 PM

      Right on! That's exactly what I've been wondering about for awhile now, as this isn't the first time it's been suggested that there is no "New Republic" in Episode VII. Wouldn't it make sense for the defeat of the Empire to have led to a more loosely based system of interplanetary alliances rather than the re-establishment of the massive galactic government that was so easily twisted into the Empire to begin with?

      By that same token, I wouldn't be surprised if whatever organizational structure Luke has created for the newly-trained Jedi was similarly loose and designed to avoid the pitfalls of the highly regimented and bureaucratic Old Jedi Order.

      Both of these approaches, by the way, would seem to have pitfalls of their own, which could certainly contribute to whatever the big conflict is in the ST.

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  42. "WESA FREEEE! No, wait, wesa not free. What a dramatic turn of events! Not."

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  43. sounds like they are pulling from Jedi Academy if they are this is gonna be good

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  44. That is GREAT stuff VH!!! I really enjoy when throw good tidbits to us. Keep yo the good work.

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  45. Villains...
    1.Darth Plagiues the wise
    2.Inquistor from SW Rebels
    3.Thrawn (minor)
    4.Ventress

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  46. I wonder if (should the rumor be true) their goal is to resurrect Darth Bane, or, less likely, Darth Plagueis? Both of them are canon by Disney's new standards, so no rewriting would be necessary to bring those characters to the screen.

    I do doubt that absolutely no New Republic is in place, though. I'd imagine that, given the victories that the Alliance To Restore The Republic has carried out over thirty-five years, they'd have a sizable government presence throughout the Galaxy. Seriously, the end of "Return Of The Jedi" shows four major planets celebrating the death of the Emperor - they'd clearly be welcome to be completely rid of Imperial occupation.

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  47. Perhaps Luke has been training many Jedi since ROTJ, but these Jedi hunters keep knocking them off before they get too powerful. Afterall last we heard Luke was the last Jedi.

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    2. I thought it was 80-100...

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  49. you know what .... i think id prefer if the story was about normal people , fed up up with all these magical freaks bending people to their will and starting wars all the bloody time , who decide that enoughs enough and both sith and jedi should be wiped out and just leave the norms alone. ....... but i havent got the cash to make that.

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  50. Lego Star wars has a set called JEDI HUNTER...came out this summer.

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  51. sound interesting. But why would there be a team of "Jedi Hunters" when there is most likely only one Jedi alive?

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    1. Its a big galaxy with a lot of exiled Jedi from the purge. I predict MANY jedi. You should too.

      - G

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    2. ok... first of all, if there were still Jedi left after the purge, they'd be 80 years old by the time of Episode 7. second, Luke would have met them in the Original Trilogy, had they existed.

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    3. I seem to remember the Jedi Council being really old in the Prequel Trilogy. Also, some aliens have considerably longer lifespans than people do - Yoda was hundreds of years old.

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    4. Plus, there would also be the matter of stopping new Force sensitives before they could begin to develop their power (which would still happen, even without a Jedi Order to train them.)

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  52. The hunters, if they are connected to the Inquisitor from Rebels, would likely have been originally used during the purge. Afterwards (during the OT) perhaps they were hidden away by Palpy and given orders on how to proceed if something was to happen to him.

    During the gap between the end of RotJ and Ep7 it would make sense that Luke would have been trying to rebuild the order. These Hunters could have spent that time going after him and anyone he has been training. There have been rumors of Luke being exile etc. Perhaps it's not exile but simply that he has kept on the move instead of using a central location for his training.

    Keep in mind the term "Jedi Hunter" may simply be set slang and not actually used in the movie.

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    1. Or what if he has exiled himself because he keeps losing his apprentices and gives up hope? Until the arrival of John Boyega and Daisy Ridley that is.

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    2. Maybe but the source in the article made it seem like he had been actively fighting them the whole time. Also seems a bit out of character to me but always possible I guess.

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  53. Wait, hold on. "They" kill Luke Skywalker ?!?

    And you guys criticize the EU for killing off Chewbacca.

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    1. Nono, you misread the quote. "I guess they kill him (said resurrected Sith) in IX." Meaning they [Luke and the helpers he acquires] kill him [the resurrected Sith].

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    2. I don't think it would be that farfetched if they killed Luke in Episode VII. They've killed the mentors in the first episodes of both trilogies. Two isn't quite a pattern but it seems to be the way things go. And since it seems like Hamill only has a "strong supporting role" in this film it does seem possible.

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    3. Patterns like this are dull and predictable. Mix it up a little. Keeps the fans on their toes.

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    4. Hey, they did say they were trying to make it like the OT....

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  54. note to both PT and OT lovers: don't expect ST to exceed your expectations...it won't. just enjoy it for what it is; another chance to see Jedi in action.

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  55. the resurrected Sith will be a "jedi hunter" possesed by Plagueis.

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  56. I like the idea of the republic not being re-established. Lucas knows something about history, republics pervert into empires and empires end in chaos. The Roman Empire did not die in a bang but slowly destroyed itself over time. The Roman Empire was split into two parts. The west was free and chaotic while the east became the byzantine empire. As to the future of star wars, I think the rebel alliance will become a confederation of free systems ( no central authority) verses half of the galaxy still under the iron fist of the old empire. Re-establishing the republic may be a plot point for the villians.

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  57. I just read Darth Plagueis. I believe this book will be a spin off movie for 2016. Here's why: Plagueis will most probably show up in a force ghost form to draw new Sith (this novel details his desire to gain immortality). His cameo spot with be similar to the brief showings of Palpatine in Episode V - Palpatine wasn't mentioned at all in IV. The formation of the two Sith will arise and I do not think Inquisitor survives Rebels. A very familiar face from Clones will be one and she will be the master. The Sith apprentice will be killed by Solo's son after Luke is assassinated. There's your story.

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    1. Tarkin mentioned the Emperor in IV as he walked into the room during that scene where Vader Force choked Commander Motti.

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  58. Let me add that during this time, and after Solo's son decapitates the Sith, he's faced with a fierce dilemma of temptation, he's being lured to the dark side. Darth Plagueis is persuasive but powerless in the ethereal realm, yet his new Sith will avenge him. If you read his novel you will see that it took decades of work to manipulate the Republic from the shadows. Darth Sidious then murdered him the night before Palpatine became Supreme Chancellor.

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  59. Whats up with all of the hate? These are rumors. I think it sounds like a good story IF they have a reasonable explanation as to why the rebels failed to create a New Republic. 30+ years is a long time to go without a central government and lets face it. With Vader and the Emperor gone, how would the Empire succeed? There is no leader left. I personally think that the whole "Jedi Hunter" thing works if it were to be an army of Sith worshipers that have a goal to resurrect one or more ancient Sith Lords. Hell yeah it sounds like an interesting plot. I just don't really want to the film to open with Luke as a depressed hermit in Tattooine. I want to see an established Jedi Order. I trust JJ though. Star Trek 1 and 2 were great.

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  60. Hey guys, will JJ place the story before or after the Yuzhan Vong? He said about 30 years after Endor, correct? Anyway, we'll probably see Ben, Jacen and Anakin.

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    1. They said that it's an original story from the get-go, and it takes place after whenever the "New Jedi Order" series did. Since Chewbacca is still alive, "New Jedi Order" is not canon. I think the problem with "New Jedi Order" and quite a bit of the stuff that came about afterward was that it didn't' feel like "Star Wars" but instead was overtly dark.

      I would like to see the Yuuzhan Vong get reinterpreted for a future canonical project, though - their pseudo-biomechanical appearances and technology, along with their "Force-blind" gimmick, made them unique as "Star Wars" antagonists.

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    2. including the Yuzhan Vong would be the very best way to turn Star Wars into a cheesey monster movie. There will be no "force-immunity" garbage in the ST, I can assure you of that.

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    3. I was moreso saying that I think the idea of an extragalactic menace could make for an interesting story. I wasn't saying that they needed to be extremely overpowered or anything, but what I was saying was that it would have to be unlike anything that the characters in the series have ever seen.

      And again, this would likely be for a spin-off movie or something.

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  61. I think the Yuzhan Vong story will be very hard to depict, but will need 3 parts (will qualify as a new trilogy)

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  62. The rebel alliance, based on the movies alone as gospel, only won three battles against the Empire. The Rebels first victory against the empire allowed them to acquire the plans to the Death Star. Then followed by a second victory in destroying the Death Star at the Battle of Yavin. Then the empire kicked the hell out of the rebellion in the Empire Strikes Back. Then won their third victory at the Battle of Endor destroying the second Death Star.

    The Imperial Navy was dispersed all around the galaxy engaging the Rebels. The star fleet at Endor was one of many fleets. The Empire is still alive and well but probably not in control of the entire galaxy anymore. Luke's mission from Yoda was to pass on what he had learned. So expect Luke, being the last of Jedi, went out on his own personal crusade to search the galaxy for force sensitive prospects to start a new jedi organization. Leia may have been his first student. Leia is the heir to Alderaan so she might be busy running a new alderaan colony on a distant world. While all at the same time the rebel alliance continued to press against the empire to free systems from its grasp.

    The jedi hunters may be a group of assassins that the Palpatine devised at the end of Revenge of the Sith to "hunt down and defeat the remaining jedi". To defend the empire and its goals, they went after Luke Skywalker. Luke realizing his peril, moves around a lot with his jedi acolytes to prevent detection.

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  63. It all sounds terrible , hault production everyone and go home ,no one wants this mo ie to be made now , lol....... come on they got to find an in road some how or they can always re make ewoks caravan of courage .mmmmmmmmm

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  64. This sounds very dull, hope its not so, bad guys with no force powers. Lupita deserves a cool terrifying character with force powers never seen before and Sith Witches meet that criteria, besides if you look at their artwork, they are way cooler and sexier looking than inquisitors. I would take a cult of beautiful and deadly female Night Sisters who have harnessed the darkest side of the force, a group even the Sith feared and despised over some secret group of non force users. Worst idea yet for a Star Wars villain = no dark arts.

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  65. I have 2 points.

    1. Point. The big problem, and i hope they don't do it, is that the new film would completly confuse the past generations of fans if they get so attached to the series.
    Most older fans i bet, don't even know or have the interest to see a cartoon series about Star Wars, so if in the new movie this inquisitors or other characters just pop out of "nothing" older fans would be really confused.

    2. point. who will play Max von Sydow?
    This is such an important question. By his age HE MUST have lived through the empire and in star wars older characters, (and beeing anounced in the cast) He must had a big role in the film, which means, a big position in the empire? or in the Rebels? Who is he, what do you people think?

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  66. I would have darth plageuis behind everything from begining to end ....... somehow ...,
    tieing it all together ,with mortis type story line and jedi hunters influenced by older sith lords doing there bidding etc much better way to go .......

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  67. When Yoda dies, he tells Luke "The last of the Jedi, you will be."

    Why would there still be Jedi Hunters thirty years after Yoda told him this? Just doesn't add up. A group determined to resurrect the Sith is more likely.

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  68. Sounds like disciples of ragnos

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  69. Stop commenting and read the update. This whole Jedi hunters thing is false.

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    1. It's easy not to notice the latest update because the title doesn't outright say the Jedi hunter story is false.

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  70. I think that with regard to the Jedi, Yoda's instruction's to Luke were pretty clear in that he was expected to "pass on what he's learned" and re-establish the Jedi. The Jedi Order under Luke Skywalker would more than likely be rooted in emotion and personal relationships (since that is what allowed Luke to defeat The Emperor) rather than the prequel non-attachment philosophy of the old Jedi Order that proved to be Anakin's undoing.

    Having said that, Lucas said that his original treatments for Ep 7-9 would be more "ethereal" and deal with the nature of the Force and the realities of government and responsibility, so the role of the Jedi in the new movies will probably fit into that. I'd expect that they'd be less galactic cops this time around and more austere and monk like, the way Obi Wan was in A New Hope. My hunch is that one of the issues of the new movies will be how the Jedi Order under Luke Skywalker gets pulled back into being soldiers/defenders of the Republic rather than being somewhat removed spiritual advisors.

    Since the Force is "balanced" and both Sith Lords are dead, there would probably be some chaos as whats left of the Empire tries to keep whatever power that they have along with potentially new Sith trying to get to the top of the food chain. The rule of two was put into place so one Master could wield the power while the Apprentice coveted it, because the Sith Lords realized that too many Sith would be bad for everyone and my guess is that the sequel trilogy will show what happens when there aren't just two Sith Lords, but a bunch of Sith Knights running around making trouble for everyone.

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  71. How man Bothans died to bring us these rumors?

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  72. The same guy realizes the falsity of his initial rumor, but has gone on to state that he still believes the armored troopers are in the movie, along with Lupita in an antagonistic role, due to other sources.

    Some other information he leaked regarding the locations can be found here:

    http://www.theforce.net/story/movie/Episode_VII_New_Report_Suggests_One_Classic_Planet_Is_Out_Another_Is_In_158502.asp

    To summarize, a forest planet more similar to Yavin IV than Endor will appear, and it will contain a base of some sort; Hoth will not be returning, as there are not snowy Pinewood sets; and there will be an Imperial hangar with a full-scale TIE-Fighter with two green-screen walls, along with the inside of the bridge of an Imperial Star Destroyer.

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  73. Everyone is missing the obvious villain in VII. "There is another." CHAD VADER.

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  74. Unsurprising. The rumors were too fan-ficish.

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  75. Yoda wasnt a great Jedi. His failing padawans destroyed the entire jedi order, he was defeated by sidious and his own padawan Qui Gon managed to master the force before him. 900 years of wasted knowledge. Lazy foolish old yoda, failed to even read the prophecy correctly. Luke Skywalker will bridge the light and dark sides of the force in episode 7.

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