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Friday, June 20, 2014

Rumor: The Setting and Concept of Star Wars: Episode 7.

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The latest Episode VII rumors come from JoBlo. It's from two separate reliable and proven sources who attended a recent Disney media event that showed concept art, storyboards, and rough animation, as well as revealing a few new details about the film...


It's really funny that this report comes almost at the same time I posted the rumors from yesterday about the several possible Episode VII action sequences. Could both sources have seen the same presentation?


MINOR SPOILERS


Here's JoBlo's report:
Not a lot here to report in terms of story details, but some very interesting tidbits that tease some new and old concepts.
- In general the setting looks kind of post-apocalyptic with a lot of leftover vestige from the empire. It seems much more dark and rough than the prequels. The feeling was that it has not been easy in the last 30 years since RETURN OF THE JEDI, probably with a very long war to truly "end" the empire.
- There are still white storm troopers in action. The empire is probably not completely dead.

Whatever the case, both rumors have a similar vibe. I really hope they are true.


85 comments:

  1. Plausible and fits very well with the 'gritty' tone we'll be expecting from this next installment. Sounds like after the battle of Endor, the destruction of the death star, the executor, the emperor and Vader greatly weakened the imperial forces, but they were in no way down and out.

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    1. The empire is the underdog now. Why should we not see them as heroes?

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    2. Because an asshole underdog is still an asshole.

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    3. Because they fell from oppressive power. They were never portrayed as protagonists so what good reason would JJ and Kasdan have to change that now? It'd be confusing and innappropriate, especially with the original trilogy protagonists returning. I feel these movies will almost certainly focus on where Luke has come with establishing the new Jedi order and how that's been effected by remnants of the imperial army and perhaps even the ressurection of the Sith. What better time for the Sith to be reintroduced than when Luke is old, wise and much more force-knowledgable?

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    4. Dekka said it best

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    5. "I knew I was surround by assholes" -Lord Helmet

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    6. "The empire is the underdog now. Why should we not see them as heroes?"

      This kind of thinking scares me. <:-O

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    7. Most villains become the underdog by the time they're defeated. That doesn't keep them from being villains.

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    8. Perhaps the outward plot of Ep VII involves the last big mopping-up battle against the stubborn remnants of the Empire, which provides our heroes with a feeling of victory. If von Sydow is playing the "stubborn, opinioned" military type from the casting calls, he could be the last warlord who is ruling over some petty but dangerous Imperial remnant, and he and it are disposed of during the movie. "Hurray -- after all these decades it is finally over!"

      Then we will learn that the real threat is still lurking under the surface, some kind of Dark Side users who are still at large. As in Episode I, the seeming victory is hollow and illusory; the "phantom menace" is still at work, and more menacing than ever.

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    9. The Rebels and Jedi hopefully learned from the PT and OT. The Sith are the real enemy, and any manufactured militia is just a ploy to distract them with the true evil doers move their secret agenda forward.

      That being said, the Empire shouldn't be the Empire any more because it's been 30 years and the Rebels should have pretty much finished them off by know, and all the cloning facilities used to produce troops should have been shut down.

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    10. Meant to say "while the true evil doers"

      No edit function lol

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  2. The galaxy spins into chaos without the power of the Emperor! The Rebellion's leaders clearly overestimated their ability to govern the thousands of thousands worlds.

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    1. Why would they have to govern ther entire galaxy themselves. Their goal was not power like the emperor, their goal was always liberty. The empire wasn't even in power long enough for every system of planets to be so dependent on them that they'd crumble without the guidance of the emperor. I can see this being the case with some star systems that were in support of the empire, but the entire galaxy would certainly not "spin into chaos" without the oppressive leadership of the empire.

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    2. 30 years is a long time. They better have some believable back-story for what has happened.

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    3. The galaxy didn't become dependent upon the Empire, it was largely already dependent on the Republic, which just became the Empire. Chaos is plausible, though after 30 years it would probably stabilize into feuding warlords.

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    4. Galactic Civil War.

      That would be a far more interesting scenario than either a New Republic or a remnants of the Empire fanfic.

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    5. There's been galactic civil war over the passed two trilogies.

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    6. I was wondering if anyone would mention that ...

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    7. Well... y'know, what with "wars" right there in the title and all...

      ;^)

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  3. Gritty....
    Mad Max meets Star wars. sounds kinda cool

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  4. I'm liking these current rumors! As long as there is a decent, plausable explanation about what's been going on and why it is the way it currently is. I would also expect that the 'trouble' is maintained only in a few parts of the galaxy, there would have to be parts that are completely fine after 30 years since the fall of the empire.

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  5. Maybe Luke grows tired of being a Jedi, shirks his responsibilities and goes off somewhere remote and lives the life of a recluse?

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    1. Very doubtful.
      "I began as a farm boy with no future in sight, lost the only family I knew I had, lost my mentor to my arch enemy, lost my hand and my father's lightsaber to my arch enemy, found out my father IS my arch enemy, lost my other mentor, found out my best friend is my sister, faced the two most evil and powerful men in the galaxy and survived through it all with a calling to now pass on what I've learned, but it's all too much so I'm gonna split... See ya!"

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    2. LOL, Is that not how society is now, things get to hard so quit...

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    3. "LOL, Is that not how society is now, things get to hard so quit...'
      Does that mean we just submit ourselves to that unfortunate truth? That fact should inspire us to turn things around! If we teach our children that quitting is a viable option in any circumstance, we doom this society to fail miserably.

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    4. "Never give in! Never give in! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!"
      -Churchill

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    5. ... said ol' Winnie as he was safely ensconsed behind tons of steel reinforced concrete, round-the-clock armed guards and an indefinate supply of whiskey & cigars.

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    6. Luke ain't got the quit in 'em. He gun fight to the bitter end.

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    7. Don't forget that JJ is most likely to NOT do the expected with the plot.
      Besides, wouldn't it be more modern if Luke did give up, lost his way, a bit like the prodigal son but then redeemed himself by coming back and ending up as a hero again.
      I think JJ would be up for that.

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    8. Hmmm, I didn't know that the modern thing to do was give up. It wouldn't make sense to me that Luke finally becomes a Jedi and overcomes all that adversity only to give up. I really don't think I could craft a story where that would fit the character.

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    9. Perhaps Luke might have had a breakdown for some reason, maybe guilt or remorse over something terrible that happened and he blames himself, then just went into his shell, sort of, before redeeming himself.

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    10. The whole prodigal scenario would fit much better with one of the younger characters spread throughout the trilogy, where they'd be redeemed in the final installment.

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    11. Yeah, Luke giving up would sort of delegitimize what his character went through in the OT. Honestly I thought that a withdrawn Luke was one of the worst mistakes they made in the more recent EU material.

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    12. I'd actually see Luke as one of the few who DOESN'T give up and holds things together when things threaten to fall apart.

      But then again, Luke could also have gotten the ball rolling awhile back and then once he had a few Jedi who were advanced enough to train apprentices of their own, he could have "retired" to Tatooine as a sort of "Jedi Master emeritus", patterning himself a bit after Yoda on Dagobah. After all, as Yoda pointedly told him the first time they met, "Wars not make one great."

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    13. Read an interview with gary kurtz recently discussing why he wasn't involved with jedi and the principle reason was that he disagreed with lucas over the story to jedi. Originally the story was a lot different to the end product, it was much darker (solo did die) and he said that the ending was bittersweet,, yes the empire was defeated,the force was brought back in to balance but at such a huge cost. He said the final scene was luke, after defeating the emperor and redeeming his father, was emotionally tortured of what he had been through that he just gave it all up, or as kurtz put it " walked away from it all like clint eastwoods man with name character" lucas, fearing a backlash in ticket sales due to a much darker picture not being suitable to kids(this affecting merchandise) went for a safer option, I.e teddy bears etc. So the concept of luke giving it all up was there right after empire when they started conceving the plot to jedi.

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    14. But the thing is, people aren't going to pay money to see an escapist character like Luke end up with PTSD - it overrides his character development. It made sense to have something similar happen with Anakin, who was a very Byronic character because of the huge expectations that were placed upon him by the Jedi Council, and it also fit the darker tone of the Prequel Trilogy.

      However, it just wouldn't work with a character who is so unambiguously heroic and pure in heart. Even Frodo, a similar character from "The Lord Of The Rings", retains his resolve after being put through a hellish journey - he may have changed because of it, but he didn't "give up" once he was done; he went on a different kind of journey after his quest was ended.

      I could possibly see Luke as a figure that retired after training many new Jedi, but given that the Religion was practically extinct, I think he'd probably keep training others in the ways of the Force until he died - and probably even after that, as a Force Ghost.

      - Pomojema

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    15. pomojama - that's how YOU see Luke, but JJ may have a totally different arc for Luke's character. One that starts off as someone who feels weighed down by the burden of who he is and rebels against it. But eventually redeems himself over the course of the sequels.

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    16. Pomojema, Why couldn't Luke become recluse and walk away from everything? Yoda did it and so did Obi Wan. It doesn't mean he wouldn't care about the Force but rather live within the force like Yoda did. If Luke goes out and searches for force users to start a new Jedi Order then he knows the consequences can lead to the Dark Side and the Sith coming back, just as Dooku, Darth Mual and Vader came about.

      As well, Frodo did give up, but because of Samwise, he was able to succeed. Frodo leaves in the end because the burdon was too much and the world is not for him to enjoy.

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  6. Looks like somebody reread Issac Asmiov's Foundation Trilogy.

    Could be a nice background for the new Trilogy.

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  7. I like the notion of seeing the wreckage of Imperial things all over the place. But I sure hope the Empire isn't still around. That would be dreadfully boring fanfic.

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    1. I agree. Evidence that the 30 years between VI and VII were devastating for both the empire and the rebels, but things should have calmed down significantly by now.

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    2. A galaxy is a large place, taking it back from a military larger then anyone could imagine (take our whole planets military's combined x trillions) could take decades.

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    3. we did see pictures of an AT AT leg....

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    4. I can see the Empire still being around 30-35 years later. It was supposed to be HUGE and powerful. An empire doesn't end just because you kill its emperor.

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  8. It does make sense that with the goal met of freeing the galaxy met by the Rebellion, freedom without responsibility leads to chaos and from what we saw in the PT, there weren't many responsible leaders in the senate. They like all of us humans, except for the fictional hero, look to our own self interests first. So it would make sense that a "new republic" would not be established in thirty years because of too much politics and infighting which could likely detract enough to allow a fledgling empire remnant to survive and even recover a little. Kind of like what is happening in Afghanistan right now.

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  9. Again I think it makes sense to put it into the context of our own history. Roman Republic falls and a new Empire is created. That too falls - not in one blow but through a process of stagnation over a long period of time.

    Granted, the Star Wars Empire is a pretty young entity (20 some years old at the time of VI I guess) and the clear successor to the Emperor (Vader) died with him. But there were many instances in Roman history in which an Emperor died and mini civil wars broke out to replace him.

    Or look at Russian history. Soviet Union "collapses" in the late 80s/early 90s. 25 years later it doesn't exist but "Russia" does and it is acting very much like the Soviet Union again. 25% of its land area is gone to successor states (Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc) but the "core" Soviet Union/Russia is still kicking.

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  10. sounds good , on some of the other rumors .... theres probably an EU explanation , but seeing as thats gone now..... in new hope , the hooded alien with a huge penis for a nose, that im not geeky enough to know the name of or bothered to find out , that hangs about by docking bay 94 ..... is he giving info about the droids or is he giving info about obiwan/luke , in a force sensitive but not a sith jedi hunter type of a way. .....? and could said penis bloke turn up again?

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    1. I think you're talking about Garindan. I'd consider the possibility of that specific character returning remote, but the possibility of characters like him appearing would be far more likely.

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  11. I would love it if the setting were post-apocalyptic!

    If you read back to Lucas original statments about the PT, OT, ST in 1983, he said, "'the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves, 'The Current Trilogy is more about personal growth and self realization, and the third deals with moral and philosophical problems. The sequel is about Jedi knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned.'

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    1. After reading the Gary Kurtz interview - and just living through all the prequel "stuff" Lucas ended up with - I wouldn't give ANYTHING he's said in the past any weight. He changed his mind about the story a thousand times - between SW and Empire - between Empire and RotJ - and then God knows what happened after that. He had 9 movies - then 12 - then "there were only going to be six" - he's been completely contradictory from 1973 on.

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    2. I agree with you as I never take anything 'specific' that Lucas said, but the overall arc of the 3 trilogies makes sense from that quote above. I always believed he wrote each movie on the fly, but I always believed he had the macro themes in his head for each trilogy. Again, that quote is just talking in a more generic sense about each trilogy, and nothing specific.

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    3. Gotcha - makes sense.

      Still Wish Gary Kurtz had had his way for Return of the Jedi. I love the idea of a victorious but slightly broken/lonely Luke walking off into the dual sunsets at the end. Although with the rumors we're hearing - maybe that IS what happened!

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  12. Could be really cool.

    Remnants of the Empire, warlords all over the galaxy.

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  13. If the Empire was defeated, things would just go back to normal in a Republican galaxy.
    It's just that the Empire WAS NOT defeated. Emperor killed? Yes. Vader dead? Yes. Death Star v2.0 destroyed? Yep. But the other 99% of men & materiƩl that make up the Empire? Oh they are all very much alive. And very very angry .... A lot can transpire with this scenario over the course of THREE DECADES.

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  14. What if there was a civil war after Episode VI between various Imperial factions to determine the next Emperor?

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  15. http://www.deadline.com/2014/06/star-wars-rian-johnson-director-next-two-movies/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    ..well well well

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    1. This man directed the Ozymandias Episode of Breaking Bad. The franchise is in good hands

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    2. Very interesting indeed. I haven't seen much of his work aside from Looper and Brick, but we'll just have to wait and see. As of now, Im much more concerned with VII.

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    3. I actually haven't seen anything he's written or directed, everyone seems to be buzzing. How good is 'good' ?

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    4. "Ozymandias" is considered to be the best episode of an already amazing show. The creator of "Breaking Bad" says that it's his favorite, and the episode has a perfect 10 on IMDB with thousands of votes - something that is almost completely unheard of.

      I'd say it's in good hands.

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  16. This comment might not be related to this news but I want to know what you fans think about this : I always felt the propecy came to be true, you know how in episode III yoda says :"A prophecy misread could have been" I thought in the end the prophecy was completly true but everyone undertood "restore balance to the force" as destroy the siths, but the way I see it Vader killed Sidious, not Luke, and left only one guy who, by me, isn't really a jedi but warrior with strong force connection. So in the end of ROTD the force was balanced, finally, there was no siths and no jedi left, but Luke breaks this balance by trying to reform the jedi order. What do you all think of that ?

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    1. That's just completely unnecessarily complex lol. Luke was, and is, a Jedi. Simple.

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    2. I hear this sort of thing quite a bit, that the "balance" that the prophecy referred to was either the elimination of both the Sith and the Jedi, or else the establishment of absolute one-to-one parity between them where there are an equal number of Jedi to Sith in the galaxy.

      I'm really not sure this is what that "balance" means, though. The Sith were a corruption of the Force, in that they actively sought to work against the nature of things and to bend the life force to their own will.

      The Jedi, on the other hand, were dedicated to working with the flow of nature as it was, rather than trying to turn it into something that it was not. Yoda's exchange with Luke just prior to his death was a perfect example of this. When Luke didn't believe that Yoda could die, Yoda responded:

      "Twilight is upon me, and soon night must fall. That is the way of things - the way of the Force."

      The Sith, on the other hand... well, as cheesy as the PT was, the fact that the Sith were focused on things like using the dark side to prevent death, to halt the natural cycle of life, is a very good illustration of why the existence of the Sith was the imbalance in the Force that needed to be eliminated.

      However, this also raises another point. The Jedi Order, in its own way, also had their own problems with allowing life to flow as it was intended. Their downfall was partly due to their inability to reconcile the way of the Jedi with basic elements of humanity such as love and emotional attachment. Rather than using their insight to integrate the two in a positive way, they saw emotional connections as a weakness that could lead to the dark side.

      So although the Jedi did dedicate themselves to life and to the way of the Force, they also denied a significant part of life out of fear of losing their own to the dark side. So perhaps that aspect of the Jedi, rather than the Jedi themselves, also needed to be eliminated as part of the fulfillment of the prophecy.

      This could make for a very interesting challenge for Luke, if he is still working through these sorts of issues in re-establishing the Jedi. Did Obi Wan and Yoda eventually realize that the capacity for love was what the Old Jedi Order was missing and what led to their downfall? And did they convey this to Luke from the nether world? Or has Luke had to piece all of this together on his own by combining his own experiences with whatever records remained about the Old Jedi Order.

      OR... am I just talking crap again? ;^)

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    3. Everything you said, Dekka, makes perfect sense to me. Based in part on the same ideas, my thoughts on the start of the ST is that there cannot be a fully formed NJO or army of Jedi... I think Luke has spent the past 30 years researching and discovering what he can about the Force, OJO and the Sith, so as to both grow in his own understanding and to avoid the mistakes of the past.

      In fact, I anticipate that at the beginning of the ST, Luke, and maybe one or two apprentices, are off exploring the galaxy (i.e. visiting the old Sith and Jedi homeworlds). Hence the speculation that Moriband (aka Korriban) are finally seen in this trilogy. This also supports some early speculation that the other characters will be looking for Luke in response to some new (or ancient) danger that has presented itself.

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    4. I think that sounds very plausible indeed. I also think that a lot depends on whether or not Yoda, Obi Wan and Anakin were able to maintain their ability to manifest themselves to Luke as "Force ghosts" once he had resolved everything at the end of ROTJ. If they were able to advise him at all, even just for a short time to pass on whatever lessons they'd learned from the destruction of the Jedi Order, then that would certainly have given Luke a good starting point as he began training new Jedi.

      So my feeling is that there are more than just a couple of Jedi aside from Luke in Episode VII, but not a huge number of them. But I agree, I think that part of Luke's mission for the past 30 years would have been to travel to key worlds from Jedi history in order to develop deeper understanding of what went so terribly wrong and how to prevent it from recurring moving forward.

      And yeah, I also think there's a good chance that whatever the big new threat is in Episode VII, everyone will be turning to Luke for answers. I wouldn't be surprised if it's something beyond what he's learned thus far, however, and he doesn't necessarily know exactly what to do about it.

      I also wonder if the ease with which the Jedi were suckered into becoming warriors in the PT will factor in to a reluctance on Luke's part to do the same with whatever new Jedi he has trained. I can see him needing to balance the need for a Jedi response to the new (ancient) threat with Yoda's teachings about the limitations of violent responses, and Luke's own direct experience with that in ROTJ.

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  17. Is Rian Johnson (Looper director) really directing Episodes VIII and IX?

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  18. I got a theory. The rumors are that the story is centered around Han Solo. Perhaps at the end of ROTJ, luke goes on a lonely quest to seek out force sensitive beings that I have the potential to be jedi. Luke disappears for 30 years. Then something terrible happens and the jedi are needed. Han Solo is tasked to search the galaxy to find his lost friend in a race against time to save the alliance. Han finds luke and his jedi knight order but events have gotten so bad that the jedi knights may not be up to the task to restoring the 30 year peace.

    Skyhunter1172

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    1. This is similar to my thoughts above ^ (but I didn't see this before posting!)

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    2. Luke disappears for 30 years? The same Luke who would risk his own life for his friends? Nope, sorry. Not the Luke I know.

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  19. Man, i can only think in a battle with ATAT and ATST in a desert environment...
    We can only wait......

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  20. Ei guys!!!
    Breaking and very exciting news from Episode VIII and IX!!!!

    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=119778

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    1. Rian Johnson (Looper, Terriers, Braking Bad...)!! IMDB has added too!
      Yeeehaah!

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  21. http://i.imgur.com/haGiSLa.jpg

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  22. The story can't be centered around Han... Otherwise you're saying that it will be the first start wars not forcussed on a skywalker relative and also a none force user. No way... Save it for the stand alone spin off movies. I also don't know how I feel about geriatric Han being an action hero still. What's Leia doing? Sitting at home
    Knitting?

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    1. I've never gotten the impression that the movie was literally going to be about Han with a supporting cast. Merely that he would have a significant role in it, and one that was probably beefed up considerably over what it was in the Arndt script. I don't think we have to worry about the film not being Skywalker-centric.

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  23. The story can't be centered around Han... Otherwise you're saying that it will be the first start wars not forcussed on a skywalker relative and also a none force user. No way... Save it for the stand alone spin off movies. I also don't know how I feel about geriatric Han being an action hero still. What's Leia doing? Sitting at home
    Knitting?

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  24. Its just a theory. They said Harrison Ford would have a bigger role as Han Solo than the previous original trilogy. Obviously he will be big time involved in events. I am sure Leia and Luke are part of that too. Don't forget R2, C3PO, and the best character of star wars, Chewbacca. Out of all the actors in the film, Harrison would probably get the most screen time. He is a big star actor. Mark Hamill hasn't done a lot of acting for a while and Carrie Fisher been off and on.

    My theory about Luke is based on the fact he is the last of jedi at the end of ROTJ. I would do everything to protect that knowledge and teach others the ways of the force. I would not risk an untimely death until new jedi knights come of age. Luke has a quest from Yoda to bring back the Jedi Order. Thats his task. He may be missing in action in the beginning of the film until the set up events take hold. The film is 30 years later. It takes about 10 years from apprentice to become a jedi knight. Luke has to train many and those have to train the next group, and so forth. So there is at least 2 or 3 generations of jedi knights. Leia will be at Han's side. She always will be. There is no way they would separate those two unless something happened to Han or Leia.

    Han and Leia have kids which will be the focus of the future films. Luke, probably unlikely to have the time or inclination to father children because he is too busy training new jedis. Therefore my theory is Han is the lead actor. One of the main points of episode seven is to pass the torch off to a new generation of characters played by younger actors. Luke and Darth Vader were the center of the original trilogy, it will be Han, Leia, and their kids in the sequels to follow.

    They can kill Luke, Leia, and Han Solo off, but please please please spare CHEWBACCA!

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  25. Why do all these people wet their pants for the original cast then salivate to kill them off? Enjoy it for what it is. It doesn't need to be brooding, when did that become a thing, Batman Begins?

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  26. I think the story will revolve around Han and Leia's twin children, Jacen and Jiana. Both are force users, one is seduced by the dark side, then the 2 children will have an epic battle. As well, who is to say that the Emporer never cloned himself or had many other "Order 66" programs installed in case something happens.

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  27. And Jacen becomes Darth Caedus and will be played by Adam Driver with Daisy Ridley playing Jaina.
    And the moon is made of green cheese!

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